Tuesday, March 22, 2016

Donald Trump Attacks Carly Fiorina

The claim insists that Donald Trump attacked Carly Fiorina because she was a woman and this proves his mysognistic tendancies.

“Look at that face!” said of former Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina. “Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!"

The quote first appeared in Rolling Stone magazine on September 9, 2015 and in an article titled "Trump Seriously: On the Trail with the GOP's Tough Guy" written by Paul Solotaroff. The article can be found here:  http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-seriously-20150909?page=13

In the article, the author starts off by describing his time riding on Trump One to a Trump rally Hampton High School in Hampton, New Hampshire. It took me awhile to find out that the event was held on August 14, 2015 at Winnacunnet High School.

The article jumps around a lot. First on the plane with Trump, then a few weeks before this event to discuss meeting with Trump in New York, then it jumps back to the rally held at Winnacunnet High School, and finally after the rally.

In the article, Solotaroff writes:

Trump takes the stage to a standing ovation. His speech goes the way it always goes. "They had 24 million people [at the debate the other night]. . . . Do you think they were there for . . . Rand Paul? Rand, I've had you up to here!" He touches his armpit, zinging the vertically challenged Paul: "He didn't like it when I said you have to pass an IQ test to get up on the stage." Then he pivoted to Carly Fiorina. "Carly was a little nasty to me — be careful, Carly! Be careful! But I can't say anything to her because she's a woman. . . . I promised that I wouldn't say that she ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground. I said I wouldn't say it! That her stock value tanked. That she laid off tens of thousands of people, and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say that. And that she then went out and ran against Barbara Boxer, and . . . lost in a landslide. And I said, 'I. Will. Not. Say. That!' "

But when I listen to the speech, I noticed a few things.  First, the comment about "passing an IQ test" was wrongfully contributed to refer to Rand Paul. The remarks regarding Carly Fiorina have been heavily redacted.  Here's a transcript that I made based on video taping of the event:

"And actually Carly was a little nasty to me — be careful, Carly [shakes outstretch hand side to side to indicate shakey ground]! Be careful. But I can't say anything to her because she's a woman and I don't want to be accused of being tough on women. [addresses the crowd] I can't do that, right? Women, am I allowed to fight back? [women in audience shout "yes"] Huh? Am I allowed? She's been a little nasty to me. I promised that I wouldn't say that she ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground. I said I wouldn't say it! That her stock value tanked. That she laid off tens of thousands of people, and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say that. And that she then went out and ran against Barbara Boxer for the United States Senate in California and it's a race that should have been won but she lost it in a landslide. And I said, 'I. Will. Not. Say. That!' Ok? Alright? I will not say it."

The Hampton, New Hampshire rally video can be found here (the comments about the other GOP candidates begins at 29:29 mark and the comments about Fiorina begin at the 33:58 mark in the video):  http://www.c-span.org/video/?327605-1/donald-trump-campaign-rally-hampton-new-hampshire

Further down in the Rollingstone article, the author writes about what happened after this rally:

After the Hampton rally, Trump is so exultant he practically floats the 10 miles back to his plane. 
He parks himself at the dining table in the center of the big plane's cabin, turns on the massive flat-panel unit that is preset to Fox News and watches reports of the speech he's just given, while wolfing down a takeout dinner. Onscreen, it is wall-to-wall coverage of Trump, though none of it is mediated by Megyn Kelly, the network's golden girl and homegrown star. A week after the Republican debate, in which she'd taken on Trump and tried to gore him over his caddish remarks about women, she'd gone missing from the conversation, vanishing to her beach house till late August. In the sweet but too-brief battle between Trump and the network that followed his ugly dust-up with Kelly, Trump had emerged from it the walk-off winner after staring down Roger Ailes, the Fox News chief. During his four-day boycott of the station, he pumped up the ratings of its rival networks by appearing on their shows and savaging Fox, and escalated his all-out war on Kelly with the crack about her bloody "wherever." Ultimately, peace broke out, and Ailes brought him back on. Trump's return, on Sean Hannity's show, drove ratings back up, beating out the competition several times over. It devolved into a victory lap for Trump, but even in triumph, he couldn't keep the truce. In his office, Trump slipped me a printout of a story titled "How Roger Ailes Picked Trump, and Fox News' Audience, Over Megyn Kelly." "I don't start these fights, but I sure as hell win them," he told me. 
And that is Trump all over: He can't-stop-won't-stop whaling away at anyone who dares to bait him. The day after Kelly returned from exile, Trump trashed her afresh with snarks and retweets, refusing to give Kelly peace. This is the other thing he learned from his father, who taught his sons to "attack, attack, attack," says Blair, the biographer. "He's constantly on offense, picking massive fights, and it always results in polling spikes," says Matt Boyle, a correspondent for Breitbart News, the only other writer on Trump's plane. 
With his blue tie loosened and slung over his shoulder, Trump sits back to digest his meal and provide a running byplay to the news. Onscreen, they've cut away to a spot with Scott Walker, the creaky-robot governor of Wisconsin. Praised by the anchor for his "slow but steady" style, Walker is about to respond when Trump chimes in, "Yeah, he's slow, all right! That's what we got already: slowwww." His staffers at the conference table howl and hoot; their man, though, is just getting warm. When the anchor throws to Carly Fiorina for her reaction to Trump's momentum, Trump's expression sours in schoolboy disgust as the camera bores in on Fiorina. "Look at that face!" he cries. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!" The laughter grows halting and faint behind him. "I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" 
So you see from the details of the article, Trump feels that he is being attacked by Megyn Kelly of Fox News and states, "I don't start these fights, but I sure as hell win them." This reliation style of insulting attacks does fall within Trump's code of "do not cast the first stone."

So what does this say about Carly Fiorina?  At what point did she attack Donald Trump that made him feel he needed to give her a warning on August 14, 2015 to be careful about throwing stones, the same day the Rolling Stone documented the "Look at that face!" comment?

For the answer, we have to go back to the infamous Fox News debate held on August, 6 2015. During the debate, Megyn Kelly asked Carly Fiorina a question:

Fox News Debate 8/6/15:

Megyn: "Let me ask you the same question as it is true of all of you on this stage and like it or not, there's a huge disparity between the poll numbers you have and the poll numbers that he [Donald Trump] has. Given also the fact that Ruddy Giuanni said he thought there may be some Reagan qualities to Donald Trump, so Carly Fiorina, is he [Donald Trump] getting the better of you?
Carly responded, "Well I don't know, I didn't get a call from Bill Clinton before I jump in the race, did any of you get a phone call from Bill Clinton? I didn't. Maybe it was because I didn't give money to the foundation or donated to his wife's senate campaign.  Here's the thing I would ask Donald Trump, in all seriousness, he is the party's front runner right now, and good for him. I think he's tapped into an anger that people feel. They're sick [pause] of politics as usual. You know, whatever your issue, your cause, the festering problem you hope would be resolved, the political class has failed you, that's just a fact and that's what Donald Trump taps into. I would also say this: Since he's changed him mind on amnesty, on healthcare and on abortion, I would just ask what are the principles by which he would govern?"

On August 7, 2015, Donald Trump accused Megyn Kelly of not being fair and balanced and accused her of going after him with questions about how Donald Trump has treated women like Rosie O'Donnell, and others as Donald Trump had admitted. Feeling Megyn Kelly cast the first stone, he told CNN:

“You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her — wherever,” 

After the CNN comments aired, Carly Fiorna tweeted:

On August 12, 2015, two days before the rally and Rolling Stone quotes,  Carly Fiorina went on CBS to once again compare him to the Democrats and then accused Donald Trump of attacking women (comments start at 5:25 mark):

In this video, she is quoted as saying "Women of all kinds are horrified by Donald Trump's statements and that President's can't be so thin skinned." I have not be able to find the interview where this Fiorina quote came from, but once I do locate it, I will update this article with a link.

So looking over the evidence presented here thus far, I was not able to find a single Donald Trump insult attack before the Fox News Debate on August 6, 2016.  It does appear to me that Carly Fiorina did throw the first stone.

But I did discover a video posted by Carly Fiorina regarding Hillary Clinton from a Fox and Friends interview on July 8, 2015:

Question: "What did you think of Mrs. Clinton saying Republicans pretty much all coming from the same point of view that they are "hostile to hispanics"? 
Carly: "Well I think it's entirely predictable and I think it's vintage Clinton that she would equate not supporting a pathway to citizenship for those who have come here and stayed here illegally . I certainly do not and never have. She would equate that hostility to immigration, that's simply false. But of course it serves her political narrative which is to continue the Democrat playbook of identity politics - lump Americans into various identity groups, make them victims, pit one identity group against another. I think it was vintage Clinton in another way. Didn't accept accoutablity for nothing. She was not asked a single question about her state department time and she blamed the vast right wing conspiracy for everything."
The video can be found here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBDegZZ3hws

Carly Fiorina clearly believed in July that dividing people based on how they identify was a move from the Democrat playbook and yet no one held her accountable when she tried to claim she was a "victim of misogyny" at the hands of Donald Trump.

In fact, she famously said at the CNN Debate on September 16, 2015

Finally, on September 20, 2015 with Fox News Sunday, she was enjoying the additional name recognition from the CNN Debate and the Donald Trump Feud:

In conclusion, Carly Fiorina violated her principles to divide people by political identity by starting a battle against Donald Trump.. She knew based on his history, he would retort her accusations with insults because he sees anyone who attacks him as fair game.  In my opinion based on the evidence presented here, Donald Trump did not attack Carly Fiorina because she is a woman.



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